#BigBible Saturday Session: Reading the Old Testament through the New Testament

#BigBible #SatSess: January 2013

In this ‘Big Bible’ teaching session we look at ‘the Bible in the Bible’—in other words, part of the Bible—the NT—looks back at another part—the OT—as its ‘Bible’. The NT’s use of the OT raises many important issues, such as what authority it accorded the OT, what OT canon it recognised, and what OT

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Check out "#BigBible Saturday Sessions January 2012" http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/5073452834/estw via @eventbrite #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
RT @bigbible: We’re live on http://ow.ly/gySp7 #bigbible #satsess – come join us … http://pic.twitter.com/non8R08Lpmphillips
The attitude with which we come to Bible deeply affects our reading of it … last time hermeneutic of hope, now – of fulfilment #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Bible is from ancient world – how can we in modern world read it … #bigbible – many familiar aspects … same God/Jesus/Grace/ForgivenessThe BigBible Project
There’s a mixture of foreignness & familiarity – New Testament authors met same when reading the Old … #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
If we understand how some New Testament authors answered questions from OT, can help us in how we read both… #bigbible.The BigBible Project
Paul is writing to modern city, urbanites .. going to use an ancient rural text to engage with modern, urban question #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 9 – New International VersionPaul’s Rights as an Apostle – Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in th…
Paul – has privilege of being paid to spread the Gospel – is defending this in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9&version=NIV #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
If I were a farmer & concerned with keeping herd well .. how much MORE should we/God be concerned with people in his care #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Reminder – Hermeneutics – art & science of text interpretation – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Make the ‘hermeneutical leap’ in Corinthians – this is #bigbible in action from @LSTheology @bigbible: http://ow.ly/gySp7LST
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10 – New International VersionWarnings From Israel’s History – For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all unde…
Hermeneutic of fulfilment – #bigbible – led me to look at … http://beginningwithmoses.org/bt-articles/205/interpreting-old-testament-prophetic-literature-in-matthew-double-fulfilmentThe BigBible Project
The scripture is fulfilled in their hearing – hermeneutic of fulfilment… #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
RT @bigbible: The scripture is fulfilled in their hearing – hermeneutic of fulfilment… #bigbibleMatt Adcock
Are they reading new meanings into it to suit their agenda, or are they truly seeking fulfilment? #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
The Old Testament is being reinterpreted in the light of ‘The Christ Event’ #bigbible – seeing portents …The BigBible Project
What you see depends on what you’re looking from – e.g. Feminist, Evangelical, 1st C apostle, etc.. different stance #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Danger of listening to Bible in light of our experience? "Should let Bible speak for self" #bigbible – BUT is no other way that CAN come …The BigBible Project
Discussion Qu 1: 
•Look atMatthew 2:15. How does this understand the ‘son’ of Hosea 11:1?—who is referredto? Look at Hosea 11:1 itself. Who is the ‘son’ here? What is going on? DoesMatthew take Hosea’s intention seriously? 
Matthew 2:15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."Barnes’ Notes on the Bible The death of Herod – Herod died in the thirty-seventh year of his reign. It is not certainly known in what yea…
Hosea 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.Barnes’ Notes on the Bible When Israel was a child, then I loved him – God loved Israel, as He Himself formed it, ere it corrupted itself…
Look at Matthew 2:15. How does this understand the ‘son’ of Hosea 11:1? #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
We had some discussion online, discussing how Jesus is often seen to represent Israel (as a King), but that that then means that Israel were exiled due to disobedience which doesn’t apply to Jesus. Matthew seeking to make everything fit around Jesus? But then makes it problematic to have an objective interpretation?

The danger of taking things out of context, e.g. “taking things out of context: ‘Judas went outand hanged himself’. ‘Go and do thou likewise’.”

What about Matthew, Hosea 11:1 and being called out of Egypt?Jews for Judaism is the world’s foremost full-time counter-missionary organization
Matthew’s Use of the Old Testament: A Preliminary Analysis by Lee CampbellJesus acts as YHWH Jesus is the predicted messiah Jesus is the predicted servant of the Lord Jesus is the son of man Jesus culminates the…
NTauthors were so swayed by their experience of Christ that they simply went to Scripture4 ‘proof texts’ 2justify their experience #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Texts taken out of context can simply become a pretext #bigbible // did I quote that about right @LSTheologyThe BigBible Project
Psalm 22 – particularly seems applicable to Jesus. 
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 22 – New International VersionPsalm 22 – For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me…
Interesting discussions on #bigbible – check out http://ow.ly/gySp7 if still interested .. we’re working with http://bigbible.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bigbiblesatsessjan13.pdf #bibleThe BigBible Project
DJ Moo Biblical Theology WebsiteDoug’s Biblical Studies "Apply yourself wholly to the text; apply the text wholly to yourself" This aphorism, from the great seventeenth-…
Christians – 1st generation – not surprising they pick up exegetical habits from the Jews #bigbible – how they interpret …The BigBible Project
Deep discussions on #bigbible – check out the notes http://ow.ly/gySp7 working with http://bigbible.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bigbiblesatsessjan13.pdf #bible @LSTheology @bigbibleLST
Not invalid to take 2 unrelated texts – people have done that for 2000 years, but be aware what doing//care #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
TwitLonger – When you talk too much for Twitterbigbible Moo gives example: Acts 2:25-­‐34 (Ps. 16:8; Ps. 110:1): an example of gezerah shawah, whereby texts are quoted together because…
TwitLonger – When you talk too much for Twitterbigbible Moo gives example: John 7:23 (circumcision and Sabbath law): an example of qal wahomer, in which an argument is developed from i…
We should not necessarily follow the examples of the NT writers … #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Often hear "God has inspired me to see x, y,z in this text that you haven’t seen before" #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
TwitLonger – When you talk too much for Twitterbigbible sensus plenior: that additional, deeper meaning, intended by God but not clearly intended by the human author, which is seen to …
Question: have you ever thought that NT authors were simply inspired to see things in the OT that you can’t #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
Online we discussed that we had little problem in believing that God could mean something that human authors didn’t, especially as if we can understand everything that God is saying, then we probably don’t see him as big enough. We had a lot of discussion about how you would know that ‘lone voices’ were valuable and truly prophetic – and emphasised therefore the need to discuss in community – including preachers who often tend to prepare sermon material alone, and how we can encourage people not to be so scared to put content online and be open to being accountable. 
We managed to bring in the Terminator films & Corrie Ten Boom into these discussions… 
Spiritual dimension to our interpretation of Scripture: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24%3A13-35&version=NIV #bigbible Road to Emmaus …The BigBible Project
Jesus speaking to his disciples … Road to Emmaus – clearly expected that they would have read the Old Testament #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
We also discussed the competency circle, and whether when we get it wrong (and God is big enough to deal with that) – and the opportunities that it allows us to learn for next time. 
Silent-partners
“it seems prayerfully reading in community withan open mind might be the answer and being prepared to be wrong”
#bigbible http://bible.cc/luke/24-45.htm …"Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures."The BigBible Project
Is there a danger that we can make the #Bible read whatever we want? #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
William’s preferred reading … 
Typology (theology) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTypology in Christian theology and Biblical exegesis is a doctrine or theory concerning the predictive relationship of the Old Testament …
TwitLonger – When you talk too much for Twitterbigbible Moo offers Baker’s definition: "a type is a biblical event, person or institution which serves as an example or pattern for othe…
“if we are lacking in this way, how do we overcomeour lack? Is it only ‘experts’ who can read the Bible as it should be read?Should the majority wait for the pearls of wisdom to be given to them?”; we hope not, but “has the Church failed to educate its members, togive them confidence to read the Bible?” 
@bigbible I really don’t think that we read the Bible anywhere remotely near typologically enough. The problem is that when we try to, we >>Alastair Roberts
@bigbible >> often lack clear controls and interpretative principles, which leads to the danger of making the Bible mean what we want.Alastair Roberts
@zugzwanged William Atkinson speaking on this using these notes: http://bigbible.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bigbiblesatsessjan13.pdf …The BigBible Project
C.S. Lewis & Eschatology http://ttj.sagepub.com/content/6/1/25.extract #bigbible – the end times are the beginningThe BigBible Project
There are patterns in God’s history, so there’s replications that ARE going to be fulfilled – so not necessarily predictions #bigbibleThe BigBible Project
@bigbible ISTM that divine revelation is symphonic, with different movements, themes, and leitmotifs. Typology is the study of the >>Alastair Roberts
@bigbible >> connection between these. Matthew 2:15 points out the presence and continuity of the same underlying theme in the fulfilment.Alastair Roberts
TwitLonger – When you talk too much for Twitterbigbible Question Go back to Matthew 2:15 and Hosea 11:1. How does a typological understanding of history help us to make sense of how Ma…
@zugzwanged so more of a musical piece with different sections … rather than a factual list?The BigBible Project
@bigbible Not a mere collection of discrete historical events & facts, but a divine work displaying an integrity & unity in its elements.Alastair Roberts
@bigbible So, e.g., there are about a dozen ‘exoduses’ prior to the actual one. The theme is introduced early as integral to the work.Alastair Roberts
@bigbible Perhaps another way to look at this would be to think in terms of the sacramentality of divinely crafted history.Alastair Roberts
@bigbible I made some very brief comments on the Exodus theme here, in a way that ties into this discussion: http://alastairadversaria.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/new-exodus/.Alastair Roberts
New ExodusThe concept of a New Exodus is commonly encountered in the field of New Testament scholarship: Christ defeats the Pharaoh, delivers us fr…
RT @bigbible: Is there a danger that we can make the #Bible read whatever we want? #bigbibleAllyson Bailey

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